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Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:34 pm
by Candid
Fulgurator, this Apuleius of whom you write seems like a wise man indeed.
even Candid has run out of patience
You've been more patient than I. On UF quietvoice would have been reported and cautioned for her tediously repetitive insults, and if she persisted would have been banned and all posts removed.
Unfortunately 9monthquit deserted us soon after setting up this forum.
Naturally quietvoice is entitled to her viewpoint BUT having made it in a gazillion strident posts ought to live up to her name.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:52 pm
by Fulgurator
Candid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:34 pm
Fulgurator, this Apuleius of whom you write seems like a wise man indeed.
even Candid has run out of patience
You've been more patient than I. On UF quietvoice would have been reported and cautioned for her tediously repetitive insults, and if she persisted would have been banned and all posts removed.
Unfortunately 9monthquit deserted us soon after setting up this forum
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I think the Neo-Platonists got there before E. Bleuler who outlined Schizophrenia. Bleuler stated that schizophrenics had an overwhelming dependency on "desired reality" that they used to substitute actual reality. A withdrawn world of fantasy. Meantime, Plato divided the mind into (1) cognitive knowledge, (2) anger and (3) desire. Therefore, the mind destabilises when either anger or desire control logic of bias thought processes. We all experience this but some people lose all perspective of rationality.
So, let's again apply that to Quiet Voice:
Her withdrawn world is controlled by a reality created in her mind by anger and desired reality. In this world she is convinced she has found a simple explanation for the troubles of the world. In Quiet Voice's world, good or bad people are determined not by culture, education or upbringing but purely by race alone. As Charles Manson blamed black people and sought a race war (Helter Skelter) Q.V. is convinced her own target race is malignant.
Very basic logic tells us all races have moral or evil people. As simple as that is, Quiet Voice cannot comprehend it but blots out whatever might challenge the view she chose. Her preferred reality. Plus, ethically, we can see Q.V. can hardly be called "virtuous". Malignant narcissm is never a bed of roses.
To repeat, anger and desired reality dominates how Q.V. reasons.
What ought to be worrying is that, at this point, she suggests a potential for criminality - very common to see huge meltdowns in America these days. I do know quite a bit about psychotic disorders or psychopathy but I'm not at all good at the treatment side.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:05 pm
by Fulgurator
You could fairly easily compare the postings we've seen to Elliot Rodger's rants. Elliot developed a hatred for cheerleader type females who never found him attractive. His narcissistic personality inflated with hatred, especially fueled by Incel websites. In psychosis, deep, pathological anger must "rationalise" a target. Elliot blamed these women and viewed himself as magnificent.
Mark Chapman blamed and hated John Lennon. I saw the movie they did on him - very good. Chapman initially hated Scientologists. He even made threats to Scientology residences.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:53 pm
by Fulgurator
Example of narcissistic anger. Note the selected target for anger, which varies from race to gender:
“Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. This decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with every generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human woman.”
Elliot Rodger
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2024 11:09 pm
by Candid
Fulgurator wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 10:53 pm
Example of narcissistic anger. Note the selected target for anger, which varies from race to gender:
“Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. This decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with every generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human woman.”
Elliot Rodger
That's hilarious!
He obviously wasn't getting any.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:55 pm
by Fulgurator
Elliot had been diagnosed with Asperger's. It's very common in these cases not to have girlfriends. It was the same for me and it took years to realise why exactly the opposite gender wasn't drawn to me. Females instinctively want a home and children, so those affected by autism of some kind are by-passed. The snag was Elliot was the son of a movie producer and felt he had to be a success. He had no idea why he was so isolated and, combined with severe bullying in schools, he started to experience pathological rage. So his reality distorted and "all" women provoked toxic anger. He wrote this:
“I began to have fantasies of becoming very powerful and stopping everyone from having sex. I wanted to take their sex away from him, just like they took it away from me. I saw sex as an evil and barbaric act, all because I was unable to have it. This was a major turning point. My anger made me stronger inside. This was when I formed my ideas that sex should be outlawed. It is the only way to make the world a fair and just place. If I can’t have it, I will destroy it. "
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:12 pm
by quietvoice
Candid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:34 pm
having made it in a gazillion strident posts
What did you learn from any of the posts, Candid.
Did you follow any links, consider any points, do research on any leads?
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:25 pm
by quietvoice
RACIST
A term invented by this man Leon Trotsky (real name: Lev Bronstein) a MarXist Jew, to justify the destrution of European peoples and weaken their self-protective instincts and identity as a tribe. It is applied only to Europeans. It is used as a method of control when any European dares to see anything from his own point of view or try to protect himself or his people.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:33 am
by Fulgurator
The usual copy and paste from Quiet Voice. Still no awareness of the pathological anger that drives it. No awareness of self at all in this case.
Charlie Manson feared and hated African Americans. He was psychotic.
Mark Chapman obsessively hated John Lennon. Probably schizophrenia.
Elliot Roger obsessively hated women. He turned psychotic.
Why do you need to find some target to hate Quiet Voice? If if wasn't race it would be someone or some organisation, men or even gay people. You need to see a qualified psychiatrist - we aren't trained in that area specifically. We all agree you are not well at all these days.
Re: Plato And Psychology
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 2:52 am
by Fulgurator
quietvoice wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:12 pm
Candid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:34 pm
having made it in a gazillion strident posts
What did you learn from any of the posts, Candid.
Did you follow any links, consider any points, do research on any leads?
Who were the Mensheviks and how did they differ from the Bolsheviks? Who led the provisional government? Which Tsar was forced to abdicate? Explain the Brest Litovsk treaty with Germany. What was the slogan of the Bolshevik party and what are "soviets".
Let's see how much history you actually understand.