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quietvoice wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:37 pm

Fulgurator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:34 pm

Candid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:24 pm What conspiracies are we talking about? I'm not aware of any.

Debate resolved then. You don't believe the COVID vax was a conspiracy to reduce the world population. Then after all we agree. That leaves Quiet Voice to be persuaded.

Conspiracy denotes "secrecy". It is not a secret, therefore, it is not a conspiracy. It is simply a plan of action, an agenda.

Not making sense. The claim is the powers that be got together to tackle overpopulation and opted to poison us with killer jabs. So, when were they open about that plan? Not even Boris Johnson has said, "Hey folks, well you know we had to bump some of you off and that vaccine was a set-up."
If no admissions have been made, then the poisoned jab agenda must be a secret plot.
As I see it so far, a lot of people have gotten cancer which suggests the vax is a bodge-up. Not everyone has died. At least not so far. Therefore, my take on it is the vaccine isn't worth the risk but I don't think all those who had it will die.

Fulgurator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:12 pm Not making sense. The claim is the powers that be got together to tackle overpopulation and opted to poison us with killer jabs. So, when were they open about that plan? Not even Boris Johnson has said, "Hey folks, well you know we had to bump some of you off and that vaccine was a set-up."

Boris is not a "power that be", LOL.

Are you expecting that they announce it on network tellie? Of course, they won't, that's where they do the brainswashing—using the proper tool for the job.

Anyone who does research into these people will happen upon what they are up to. Just because you are afraid to do it for yourself, does not mean that people outside of the perpetrators are also not knowing about it. Does THAT make sense?

Of course, the other great social disease is hypochondria. I see that as rooted in selfishness. "I might get ill if you cough."
I was talking to a woman today who's amazed I let the cat sleep by my side on the bed. I told her that's my philosophy with animals, to not wrap myself in cotton wool. They have strong immune systems and hopefully so do I. And if The Puss drops a dead rat in my home, I laugh it off and remove it. I wash my hands after but no big deal or fuss.
Yet, the majority of people I talk to have no connection with animals for fear of fleas or bugs. Fortunately I'm not a hyperchondriac. It's selfish insecurity.

Fulgurator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:00 pm Literally millions of people today fall into the trap of not perceiving reality because they make these two huge errors. (1) Assuming millions of people can't be wrong and following the masses. (2) Not understanding how religion was a passing of evolution and not an apparently synchronised story.

Literally millions also fell into the trap of assuming the STILL-repeated "safe and effective" injections were in fact safe and effective. There is plenty of evidence they are not, and furthermore that they were never intended to be, although you won't see it in ancient books, the BBC, or on posters in doctors' waiting rooms. These people (many of my family members were among them) assumed millions of people couldn't be fooled so easily and yet they were, and they continue to be.

We have four members here intermittently, of whom only one took the needle. Theforasaken is in Australia which is on a par with Canada in making life extremely difficult for people who say NO to the jabs.

Candid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:59 pm

Fulgurator wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:00 pm Literally millions of people today fall into the trap of not perceiving reality because they make these two huge errors. (1) Assuming millions of people can't be wrong and following the masses. (2) Not understanding how religion was a passing of evolution and not an apparently synchronised story.

Literally millions also fell into the trap of assuming the STILL-repeated "safe and effective" injections were in fact safe and effective. There is plenty of evidence they are not, and furthermore that they were never intended to be, although you won't see it in ancient books, the BBC, or on posters in doctors' waiting rooms. These people (many of my family members were among them) assumed millions of people couldn't be fooled so easily and yet they were, and they continue to be.

We have four members here intermittently, of whom only one took the needle. Theforasaken is in Australia which is on a par with Canada in making life extremely difficult for people who say NO to the jabs.

It still makes no sense. For your view not to be a conspiracy, you need to show when those behind the mass vaccine admitted it was a scam. Just one whistle blower. If it's not a conspiracy, then it's in the open. I heard nothing so far from anybody in government who claimed he (or she) had been told "we're all in on it!". The closest so far was Boris who we can assume considered the measures to be exaggerated and held a "mix and mingle" party. Yet he never said the virus itself was a scam to bump people off. In fact, he was in hospital for a few days.
Now let me repeat for clarity. Who has come forward so far to state the whole thing had been a con? That means direct knowledge of a "please don't spill the beans" plot.

"Anyone who does research into "these people" will happen upon what "they" are up to. Just because you are afraid to do it for yourself, does not mean that people outside of "the perpetrators" are also not knowing about it."
A bit of psychoanalysis needed. First, we all agree the COVID vaccine is better rejected although we disagree over the explanation of how said vaccine came to be.
As you can see, I highlighted your quote to show how easily your thought processes can be said to reflect paranoia. And no need to be offended. I actually suffer from paranoia so I'm not talking down to anyone. Just the difference is I accepted my symptoms of paranoia whereas I don't think so far you considered that possibility for yourself. So. the paranoia I get is a feeling of being ridiculed behind my back when familiar people are talking. The other way paranoia works should be considered as suspicion of malignant unknown authorities. I admitted to my own issues but a lot of conspiracy advocates won't accept paranoia applies to them. It's like we need, "Hello my name is X and I suffer from paranoia!" "Hi, X and welcome to our group!"
So, looking at the quote it does assume "they" are out to get "us". In paranoia, "they" never show anything but malignant intentions and we get some of these conceptions from Bond films (SPECTRA) or The Prisoner series. Paranoia suspects, scares, bottles up anger. The danger of it is it governs and biases your thinking so you lose the overall perspective. It's also easy to cherry pick websites that feed out more agendas and conspiracies, while filtering out whatever contradicts the central religious axis of the "theory". If you apply your own reason to these theories you will see they defy logic and reality. It's not possible to get all these malignant so-called illuminati or health agenda bureaucrats to gather together to deliberately poison us. That's not doable.

Through open self analysis, I know how paranoia affects me and when it happens. Yet, I've no idea if the paranoid thoughts are real, delusional or a bit of both. Mostly it's rooted in distrust of people and caused by PTSD, where bad social experiences make you suspect people are chatting in a bad way about you. I term it "emotional blindness" which means you can't interpret how others feel about you and mostly fear the worst. I think that type of paranoia is like a psychological defence mechanism going into overdrive.
How do I deal with it? To be honest, these days I just avoid friendships and prefer to be in the company of the cat. Paranoia affects me socially but I don't imagine the CIA are tapping my phone or men in black watching my movements.
Years ago, there was a student on uni campus who was starting to get depressed being away from home. One day, he said to me: "Some b*****d's been following me around campus! I keep hearing sniggering and footsteps going towards the bushes." It all ended in his leaving the campus and going back home

Fulgurator wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 8:41 pm For your view not to be a conspiracy, you need to show when those behind the mass vaccine admitted it was a scam.

They have not done so, and are extremely unlikely to do so.

The closest so far was Boris who we can assume considered the measures to be exaggerated and held a "mix and mingle" party.

You're kidding. He got seriously knuckle-rapped for it.

In fact, he was in hospital for a few days.

Whenever his handlers considered he'd shot his mouth off too much.

Who has come forward so far to state the whole thing had been a con? That means direct knowledge of a "please don't spill the beans" plot.

You mean those who are in on it? Surely you jest.

I was watching Christopher Lee talk about his "Wicker Man" conspiracy theory last night. At some point, about 20 reels of film went missing, which upset Christopher Lee a lot. He felt it was deliberate. Actually, I had the commentary to the director's cut switched on and both Lee and Edward Woodword were chatting about the filming in Scotland. Britt Eckland was in it before later doing Man With The Golden Gun.
It was a strange film and very low budget. I recall seeing it on a rented colour CRT TV aged about 12. That was the short version till by chance they found missing segments in America. Lee claims many reels were buried under a motorway as discarded.

Candid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Who has come forward so far to state the whole thing had been a con? That means direct knowledge of a "please don't spill the beans" plot.

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You mean those who are in on it? Surely you jest.

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For sure !!!!