The case against the New World Order

[quietvoice]

So, two words are demonstrated to not be understood by David, "random" and "conspiracy".

Come see the next episode of this forum to see if David will pick up on the meaning of those two words.

[Fulgurator]

In the 1970s there came a time when cults started to be challenged and some parents went so far as to hire deprogrammers. Their kids had been brainwashed by The Moonies or The Children Of God and deprogrammers were often ex-cult members or psychologists. Well, it's similar to these mostly American conspiracy leaders who become popular and rich by feeding fantasy to followers who crave negativity and some "pattern" behind events. It's what scared people want to hear. Indoctrination. Candid isn't in that bracket but I do think she hasn't yet digested how chains of events can be put down to some planned, orchestrated plan.

[Fulgurator]

Isn't it the case that "desired reality" would be for me to agree with these various conspiracies, whereas to be blunt enough to call it all "nonsense" is like being kicked by a mule. That's not the preferred reality but sows doubt. People don't want to be told there are no men in black, no sinister organizations that reduce populations, set up new world orders or fake landings on the moon. People crave religious interpretations. So. we have forums, meetings of minds, channel leaders and the undisputed website reference link. Never real books on science or history. Society is going backwards to the Middle Ages.

[Candid]

Isn't it the case that "desired reality" would be for me to agree with these various conspiracies...

What conspiracies are we talking about? I'm not aware of any.

[quietvoice]

People don't want to be told there are no men in black, no sinister organizations that reduce populations, set up new world orders or fake landings on the moon.

Interesting that you say that, because apparently in my experience, people LOVE-luv-luv hearing that stuff, it goes along with believing in shots-in-the-arm. My brother and my mother are two of those people, at last check.

[Fulgurator]

Isn't it the case that "desired reality" would be for me to agree with these various conspiracies...

What conspiracies are we talking about? I'm not aware of any.

Debate resolved then. You don't believe the COVID vax was a conspiracy to reduce the world population. Then after all we agree. That leaves Quiet Voice to be persuaded.

[quietvoice]

What conspiracies are we talking about? I'm not aware of any.

Debate resolved then. You don't believe the COVID vax was a conspiracy to reduce the world population. Then after all we agree. That leaves Quiet Voice to be persuaded.

Conspiracy denotes "secrecy". It is not a secret, therefore, it is not a conspiracy. It is simply a plan of action, an agenda.

[Candid]

Conspiracy denotes "secrecy". It is not a secret, therefore, it is not a conspiracy. It is simply a plan of action, an agenda.

Hear hear!

[Fulgurator]

There's a man called Thomas Taylor who lived in the 18th century. He was a brilliant Neo-Platonist and self-taught. After very deep study over his lifetime, he boldly stated that Christianity had evolved from pagan religion, mixed with philosophy. Society rejected his views but the truth is he was dead right. Virgin Mary comes from Magna Mater in paganism. The immaculate conception had been applied to Plato centuries before Jesus. Plato was rumoured to have been conceived by Apollo. Miracles were reported in many religions so Jesus's healings weren't something isolated. Confession in the Catholic Church was a ritual taken from the confessions to Diana in her shrines. There was a confession room and virgin priestesses. December 25th was Saturnalia - a pagan festival of giving gifts.
Millions of people make the fatal mistake of interpreting the Christian gospels as isolated and unique, not seeing the full historical context. They are unaware Christianity is an evolved mishmash of pagan religions, also combined with "religio iudaica" which was what the religious Judeans had followed. "Devotio Cristiana" was what they called Christianity. Both religions had gnostic faiths however and my view is gnostic Christianity comes closer to historical, early Christianity. In that Jesus was a man not the son of God. He taught something similar to Platonism.
My point is this: I too was hugely mistaken when I initially took Christian teachings at face value, not knowing the context and impact of culture. Literally millions of people today fall into the trap of not perceiving reality because they make these two huge errors. (1) Assuming millions of people can't be wrong and following the masses. (2) Not understanding how religion was a passing of evolution and not an apparently synchronised story.
The same with Religio Iudaica or Orthodox Judaism. This evolved from Sumeria. Yaweh (God) appears to have been a "group" of Sumerian sages. The great flood was described in Sumerian legend before the book of Genesis was written.
What does this demonstrate? Simple. We assume all events conform to a plan. So, "Jesus did miracles so he was totally exceptional." Yet. we miss the context that lots of miracle workers and healers existed in the ancient world or prophets such as Cassandra. "Jesus rose from the dead" Yet, there are stories too of men turning into wolves or animals "versipellis". You can't view the past out of context. That was Quiet Voice's mistake over harsh Jewish laws. She was unaware how barbaric some surrounding cultures were so stoning for, say, adultery was a reflexion of how life was thousands of years ago
Millions of people never find reality but accept a very distorted representation of what actually was.

[quietvoice]

That was Quiet Voice's mistake over harsh Jewish laws.

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